Magma, Atoptech, Olympus-Soc, Encounter, IC Compiler was #4 at DAC

Magma, Atoptech, Olympus-Soc, Encounter, IC Compiler was #4 at DAC

( DAC 12 Item 4 ) ----------------------------------------------- [09/20/12] Subject: Magma, Atoptech, Olympus-Soc, Encounter, IC Compiler was #4 at DAC MAGMA FEEDING FRENZY: When Rajeev announced in Nov'11 the SNPS-LAVA merger, it had two effects. The first effect is overall digital P&R tool prices have, or will, go up by 17.5%. (See ESNUG 507 #5) This means the $513 million ASIC layout niche will grow to $600 million in 2012! GSEDA 2010 digital P&R market share Synopsys IC Compiler : ############################## $303 M (59%) Cadence Encounter : ############ $123 M (24%) Magma Talus : ###### $57 M (11%) Mentor Olympus-SoC : ### $26 M (5%) AtopTech : $3 M (1%) The second effect is the remaining 4 digital P&R players are in a feeding frenzy to get those LAVA customers to switch over to their tool. "This is a reaction by the anything-but-Synopsys crowd," said Gary Smith. "TI was moving away from Synopsys to use both Magma and Cadence; they were not at all happy about Aart acquiring Magma. I suspect TI is looking at AtopTech to replace Magma and will keep Cadence Encounter." "I'm hearing a lot of people talk about buying AtopTech; especially from the Tier 2 customers." added Gary. "I haven't finished my Market Trends 2012 Report yet, but I'm sure Mentor Olympus-SoC is still #3 after ICC and Encounter." Anyway, these four ICC/Encounter/Olympus/Atoptech digital P&R tools taken together were the #4 most interesting tools users saw at this DAC'12. "What were the 3 or 4 most INTERESTING specific tools you saw at DAC this year? WHY did they interest you?" ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- We spent DAC looking at Olympus and Encounter. Replacing Talus. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Do you have any reviews on Atop or Olympus? The latest I've seen on DeepChip are two years old. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Too soon to tell who's ahead. Possibly Encounter or Atoptech. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- We're interested in Olympus as a block tool inside an ICC PD environment, but the fast prototyping and floorplanning with deep hooks into Calibre has us interested in possibly using Olympus as a main PD tool. It's macros tuning/placement and clock tools seem powerful, too. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1. Atoptech 2. Olympus-SoC 3. IC Compiler - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- I like the new stuff in Encounter. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 3. Olympus with Calibre ties - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1. Cadence's newest version 12 specific for 20 nm and below with dual pattern colorization using iPVS. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1. ICC - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- "Best" all depends on the deal Lip-Bu gives us! :) - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 2. Atop - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 2. Encounter - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Mentor Olympus has lots of 20 nm features. In routing it auto fixed DP violations. Lots of coloring features like anchoring, pre-coloring, coloring-aware extraction. Calibre sign-off inside Olympus. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Atoptech had OCV and POCV for 20 nm. Floorplanning. Chip assembly. MCMM. Dynamic scenario selection for sign-off. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- I was impressed with how Olympus did wires across multiple metal layers. Did interconect re-synth, layer promation, via opto, plus critical path straignening. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Equal tie for Atoptech and Olympus Can't afford SNPS or CDNS - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Couldn't attend DAC. Busy in PNR benchmark. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Goodbye Magma. Looks like we now use ICC. Hello learning curve. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- I'm mad at Rajeev for selling out. Talus and BlastFusion got great block QOR + easy to use. Now we must start all over with a new tool that will be hard to use for mediocre QOR. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- 1. Magma Talus 2. Extreme-DA GoldTime 3. Nassda HSIM Aart's not very popular at my company. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- Cadence Encounter Digital for TSMC 20 nm. Had an ARM Cortex A15, used CCOpt (Azuro) to optimize clocks and data-path at the same time. 10% speed-up. 100 M instance floorplanning. DP. ECOs. - [ An Anon Engineer ] ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- I was happy with Talus. Why did Rajeev abandon us? Then again, I'd walk too for $500 million dollars. :) - [ An Anon Engineer ] Join    Index    Next->Item

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